Interview with

Mr. Zbigniewem Padol

-What do you associate Ostaszków with?

I associate Ostaszków with... I was there four times. I've seen the place my father lies, in the death holes, in the fores, the place where the pines stand. The area is surrounded, there is a cross in the middle, and the murdered lie there, commemorated on the tablets with epitaphs. The place borders the Russian cemetery, the one with pictures of murdered Russians. We only have tablets commemorating this tragical event, the people who were sentenced to death without judgement or guilt.

-What can you tell about your father?

My father was a commissar in Bialystok, a borderguard. He was executed in Ostaszkow. I will tell an interesting story my mother told me. How did my father meet my mother? They got to know each other when he was meant to arrest her. Their relationship beginned and they got married. After the Russian troops entered Poland my mother fleed, and my father got called to arms. -Do you think that the Russians will one day admit being guilty of the Katyn massacre, show all the documents and apologize?

The Russians will keep them. Every soldier had a yellow envelope, they knew everything about each captive. I think some of the documents don't exist anymore. They surely won't show them. And nobody knows if they will apologize.

-Do you think that in some extent the Smolensk catastrophe brought us more information about Katyn?

No, I don't think so.

-Is the young generation going to remember the Katyn massacre?


The older I will get the more the young generation is going to forget about it. But it's just the natural order of things and we need to accept it.

-What do you think we should do not to forget about the Katyn massacre, what does the government do?

The government doesn't care. The new education reform only provides history lessons until 2nd High School Grade. If not the Katyn families the youth wouldn't ever get to know about the massacre. "The fallow needs to be ploughed" among the society.

-Thank you very much for spending time on our interview.
The interview was made by Armando Kurek and Dominik Kaszowski.

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